Our stance on AI-generated content

[Death]

There's been a tremendous trend in AI-generated content in this space, so we felt it was essential to get ahead of it before it spirals out of control. We've seen quite a bit of feedback on our official stance against content made primarily using AI, so before we go full send, we want to make sure we're making the right call.

Our current stance on AI content is as follows: Submissions generated entirely by AI are not allowed. However, AI-assisted content is welcome if it enhances your creative process and that any AI usage is clearly disclosed in your product description.

We've been more lenient towards product thumbnails and free content where we felt the author was making a reasonable effort to learn. With that being said, I personally feel like it's getting out of control, especially for thumbnails. While we likely won't prohibit the use of AI-generated images, we want to set a clear quality threshold so the site doesn't become a wash of generic looking content.

Personally, I feel the biggest concern at the moment is AI-generated plugins, especially those that are paid. I dislike the idea of someone trying to profit from content they did not make, nor are they capable of maintaining outside of their reliance on AI. Full disclosure: I find AI to be extremely helpful, and I use it quite often, but I use it as a tool to improve my process, not completely replace it.

Let us know your thoughts about this. Are we being too harsh, or are we making the right call? This may seem pretty obvious from the perspective of a developer, but that's because we understand the code and know how cooked a lot of these AI-generated plugins are. It would be great to have a consumer perspective.

[IIIaKa]

[Whispers88]

Life is a simulation.......

Aside from this any AI generated thumbnails that have the following should not be allowed:

• spelling or grammer issues
• misrepresent features of the files

Plugins that are over 15% AI generated should not be allowed - With the exception of lang

Documents for and file submission should be formated and be relevant to the file submitted, covering basics like commands, permission and features.

 

Also you owe me $5

[OfflineGotOfflined]

100% AGREED WITH DEATH.

AI should only be allowed to use as a tool to assist the devs, not to rely on it completely. 

[NooBlet]

2 minutes ago, Whispers88 said:

Also you owe me $5

Wait what ... i do not . but yea agree AI as tool ,can be helpful to learn something you did not know . but complete works .... mmmm  nope

[IIIaKa]

Agree with AI-generated code.
Regarding AI-generated images: I use them for cover designs in some of my plugins because maintaining my plugins already takes a lot of time. I think it would be reasonable to establish some design guidelines, but banning AI-generated images entirely doesn’t seem necessary.

[badgyver]

I humbly give ((MY OPINION)), I hope it will help you.

I am totally against using artificial intelligence to create a product and put it on sale.
I think that selling a product generated by artificial intelligence is a scam and a lack of respect for customers, the customer is looking for an original product, I am a customer too and I ask myself: Why am I going to pay for something that can be generated by artificial intelligence?

Call me an ‘old person in the way of thinking’, but I think that if you want something you have to make an effort.

The same I think about the procedural custom maps that are for sale, but that's another topic that I won't comment out of politeness and respect, everyone is free to do the best they think is best for them.

Greetings to all.

[Swampy]

Ai generated pics i am ok with but all plugins paid or free should have some human input, enough to at least repair and maintain its functionality

Otherwise we would all  just be using AI and not be concerned about the end user and their experience, cost or codeflings reputation on selling a reliable product.

pics OK

plugins/mods NO

[HIKMET]

I am against you rejecting AI. Sometimes it helps us with things we don't understand. Or when there is an update, sometimes the code gives an error. I used to work on a problem for 2-3 days. Now with AI, the problem is solved as quickly as possible in 2-3 hours. The main thing is to work on the code accurately and the result is important to the server owners. Whether it was developed by AI or was written by a person with his own hands, it is still important to them how the code was created and its functions.

[Death]

10 minutes ago, HIKMET said:

I am against you rejecting AI. Sometimes it helps us with things we don't understand. Or when there is an update, sometimes the code gives an error. I used to work on a problem for 2-3 days. Now with AI, the problem is solved as quickly as possible in 2-3 hours. The main thing is to work on the code accurately and the result is important to the server owners. Whether it was developed by AI or was written by a person with his own hands, it is still important to them how the code was created and its functions.

As a server owner myself, knowing the only way you were able to solve an issue is with AI, and it still took you 2-3 hours, is a bit concerning. At that point, I would question who's actually doing the work, and why would I pay you to do it if I could just make the prompts myself?

[HIKMET]

2 minutes ago, Death said:

Men o'zim server egasi sifatida muammoni hal qilishning yagona yo'li sun'iy intellekt ekanligini bilish va bu sizga hali ham 2-3 soat vaqtni oladi, bu biroz tashvishli. O'sha paytda men bu ishni aslida kim bajarayotganini so'ragan bo'lardim va agar men o'zim ko'rsatmalarni o'zim qila olsam, nega buni qilish uchun sizga pul to'layman?

I'm also against using full artificial intelligence, but sometimes you have to get help.

[Death]

2 minutes ago, HIKMET said:

I'm also against using full artificial intelligence, but sometimes you have to get help.

This seems like a contradiction, though, since you said you disagreed with rejecting AI submissions, implying that most of it was made using AI. Using AI to help is not an issue, as reflected in our guidelines. Before AI, I was dual-wielding Google tabs like a crack head.

[HIKMET]

2 minutes ago, Death said:

Bu qarama-qarshilik kabi ko'rinadi, chunki siz sun'iy intellekt taqdimotlarini rad etish bilan rozi emasligingizni aytdingiz, bu uning aksariyat qismi AI yordamida qilinganligini anglatadi. Yordam berish uchun sun'iy intellektdan foydalanish bizning ko'rsatmalarimizda aks ettirilganidek muammo emas.

Sorry, I don't know English and I'm talking to you using Google Translate and I may not have understood your request correctly. I'm not reading your words grammatically right now. Google Translate is translating it in a literary and somewhat incomprehensible way. If I'm not expressing my opinion correctly, please forgive me

 

[Cr7ytpo]

Using AI to improve, learn, and assist with problem-solving is totally fine.

But generating a full plugin purely with AI without knowing how to edit or fix it in the future is a disaster waiting to happen.

AI should enhance skills, not replace them.

For generating images, though, it's completely fine as long as quality stays high and commented as (AI Generated) a possible idea to add.

[CupsOhJoe]

I'm fine with AI help, I just finished 3 course on C# through University of Phoenix, and sometimes still need some memory jogging. But full AI plugin seems like it would not be great as what if FP changes something or OXIDE/Carbon. AI is not up to date, how is a Pure AI project going to be supported.

Edited 3 hours ago by CupsOhJoe

[4Real..]

Already waited for that topic to pop off.

I agree to @Death in terms of thumbnails and also paid plugins.
They obviously shouldn't completely made by AI, for the simple fact that it very unlikely to be well maintained for the future and AI generated thumbnails just look awful to be honest. I mean its really not that hard to use a mix of cinematics and common photo editing software like photoshop or something like that. Even for those who don't feel comfortable with photo editing software, there are some that have AI assistant functionality's to insert stuff like text's or manipulate the cinematic pictures that you want to use. Just don't use entirely AI made slop because it's still clearly visible and makes the side look less HQ when all shown thumbnails look like they came out of the exact same s**t bucket. 
From a customers point of view, over the last couple of month I noticed that AI thumbnail takeover too by the way. Think it's also not encouraging people to buy a plugin with an AI generated thumbnail because if the creator of it does put that less effort in his work, how does that possibly reflect the quality of the plugin he made. Could be just AI pasted together crap that negatively affects server performance and/or stop's working after Rust's next patch and will never be fixed possibly.

AI is definitely a very powerful tool but it should be used as a TOOL and not more. You won't let a hammer build a house for you, even if he could do it faster as any construction worker ever could, you could never know if this house would be safe to live in at the end of the day.

But I think it's pretty problematical to figure out if it's completely or maybe 90% AI generated code or not?? (no coding experience here so far)  
And the downside could be that creator that just use it to get there work done and don't rely on AI entirely can't use it as a tool at all anymore.. but I guess you guys can tell very quick what's completely AI coded and what not.
 
I think it's never a good thing to completely ban a type of technology that can be pretty helpful if it's used in the right way.
Maybe consider to just reject paid products and thumbnails that are AI generated.

@all have a nice day and a wonderful and productive weekend!!

[Kapco411]

I agree with most. AI is a tool in your tool bag. Just like any tool its use depends on the skill of its user. A true expert knows how to use all of their tools to achieve optimum results. As a Diagnostician and troubleshooter IRL, a multi server owner and content creator I use all the tools I have available to do the job. Part of my tool shop includes being able to reach out to developers and creators and experts in their fields to be able to to diagnose problems as they arise. When purchasing plugins, maps, etc. it is implied that with that purchase also come technical support for those items.  If someone is not able to provide support they should not sell the product. At the end of the day i would refer to the literal definition for the works being sold on here as they are known as "intellectual property".. By definition intellectual property are creations of the mind. Things created using ones mind are different than those using AI which is quite literally using the programmed thinking and learning of a computer program. Technically speaking the AI owns the creation. Its splitting hairs but if you needed a legal stance I'd go with that. This is a complicated issue with regards to ownership of AI generated content as defined by current law because AI generated content uses existing content as part of its learning thus creating copyright infringements. To avoid drama and issues I'd vote to not allow creators that use AI exclusively, but I'm not sure if there is a way to check that.      

[Perfectangel01]

I agree with you Death. Sorry I voted wrong as I should have finished reading lol

 

 

I agree because there are tons of plugins out there, can AI understand why it doesn't work on this server correctly vs another one? 

I think it should honestly be more wide spread on some things:

- I think if its AI gen, the dev should have to disclose that to buyers.

- How does a dev copywrite a AI generated plugin, since they didn't write it.

- I think if you are putting out a paid plugin, it should be no more than 15ish% AI

- I think with the amount of plugins sold on this platform, devs should be more open and honest with the customers before they buy them. Like (I have no intention of adding this or making it work with any other plugins) There are a lot of servers who are having issues and the cause isn't just their face with an error in the console. There are some higher priced plugins right now they are causing so many issues with servers as they simply conflict with other plugins a server may own.

I have spent tons of money over the years on here and other sites for devs to simply not give a crap, answer support questions. Wished they would just simply say I don't want to or care..

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Perfectangel01
left out words. to early

[Mac]

Oh well, I pressed "I don't care either way" too fast...

I think AI can give people the ability to do things they otherwise couldn't, which is great.

But yeah, I agree that content made entirely by AI just feels... weird and wrong.

Personally, I use AI to proofread my English messages because it's not my native language, so I often make small mistakes that can give off the wrong tone, so to speak, and people get offended even when I try not to. I also often use it to find good prices, brainstorm scripts for my YouTube videos, and even sometimes to generate art templates that I can edit. Because when it comes to creating art, I am super slow and hate my digital drawings—but when it comes to editing and refining them, that's where I excel.

I guess I should've read the context before voting. Is there any way to change my vote?

[DesignCrew]

I agree with DEATH 100%!

By the way, if anyone needs help with the thumbnails - write to me. I make them quite beautifully 

[Tom.bat]

In my opinion AI assistance tools should be allowed as long as they're used in moderation. Here's a few instances of AI I've commonly seen which personally I'm not a fan of, such as:

• Artwork - it gives an incredibly low effort vibe, a paid product should look professional and its thumbnail should be representative of what's being sold.
• Descriptions - AI does not understand your product as well as you do, it can only make assumptions and provide vague explanations of what it does. Using it to clean up a handwritten description is fine as long as it's verified first, but yet again, the "AI sentence structure" gives a low effort feel and should be adjusted. Another fair usage of it here would be asking for a product description structure, so you're writing your own content but using AI for inspiration.
• Code - any developer who's used AI code generation before will be able to identify it fairly easily. Customers who've knowingly bought code which is mostly AI generated should rightly feel deceived, as you're buying the creator's code. That being said, I think it's fair to use AI assistance tools like GitHub Copilot - you were going to write it anyway, might aswell improve productivity.