Scrap, Wood, Pumpkins do not appear in Loot (resources and food?)

I have scrap, wood (as a test for resources), and pumpkins all added to Murder Items Dropped on Death.  I've done this both on Easy and Medium difficulty profiles.  These 3 items don't drop and it seems like it may be specific to Resources and Food in general.

 

I'm also still not able to get rid of Rifle.Ammo and weird loot showing up.  I've tried roam, roamtethered in the Spawn Alternate Default Scientist Loot, with enabled set to true and false both.  Something is injecting loot outside of my configured loot still that's beyond the loot tables of roam and roamtethered.  I noticed there's a call to strip inventory when kits are used.  I'm starting to look into dumping the randomized loot and load out to just go with a kit instead hoping I can control, with less randomness, the loot that's dropped.

 

   

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    "Range (350.0 = Rust default)": 75.0,
    "Requires Power Source": false,
    "Minimum Health": 1000.0,
    "Maximum Health": 1000.0
  },
  "Tesla Coil": {
    "Requires A Power Source": true,
    "Max Discharge Self Damage Seconds (0 = None, 120 = Rust default)": 0.0,
    "Max Damage Output": 35.0,
    "Health": 250.0
  },
  "Profile Enabled": true,
  "Maximum Land Level": 2.5,
  "Allow Players To Use MLRS": true,
  "Allow Third-Party Npc Explosive Damage To Bases": false,
  "Add Code Lock To Unlocked Or KeyLocked Doors": true,
  "Add Key Lock To Unlocked Or CodeLocked Doors": false,
  "Add Code Lock To Tool Cupboards": true,
  "Add Key Lock To Tool Cupboards": false,
  "Add Code Lock To Boxes": false,
  "Add Key Lock To Boxes": false,
  "Add Code Lock To Lockers": false,
  "Add Key Lock To Lockers": false,
  "Close Open Doors With No Door Controller Installed": true,
  "Allow Duplicate Items": true,
  "Allow Players To Pickup Deployables": false,
  "Allow Players To Deploy A Cupboard": false,
  "Allow Players To Deploy Barricades": true,
  "Allow PVP": false,
  "Allow Friendly Fire (Teams)": true,
  "Amount Of Items To Spawn For Buyable Events (0 = Use Default Value)": 0,
  "Minimum Amount Of Items To Spawn (0 = Use Max Value)": 60,
  "Amount Of Items To Spawn": 120,
  "Amount Of Items To Spawn Increased By Item Splits": true,
  "Flame Turret Health": 300.0,
  "Block Plugins Which Prevent Item Durability Loss": true,
  "Block Damage Outside Of The Dome To Players Inside": false,
  "Block Damage Outside Of The Dome To Bases Inside": false,
  "Block Damage Inside From Npcs To Players Outside": false,
  "Building Blocks Are Immune To Damage": false,
  "Building Blocks Are Immune To Damage (Twig Only)": false,
  "Boxes Are Invulnerable": false,
  "Boxes Are Invulnerable Until Cupboard Is Destroyed": false,
  "Spawn Silently (No Notifcation, No Dome, No Map Marker)": false,
  "Despawn Dropped Loot Bags From Raid Boxes When Base Despawns": false,
  "Protect Loot Bags From Raid Boxes For X Seconds After Base Despawns": 0.0,
  "Divide Loot Into All Containers": true,
  "Drop Tool Cupboard Loot After Raid Is Completed": false,
  "Drop Container Loot X Seconds After It Is Looted": 65.0,
  "Drop Container Loot Applies Only To Boxes And Cupboards": false,
  "Create Dome Around Event Using Spheres (0 = disabled, recommended = 5)": 5,
  "Empty All Containers Before Spawning Loot": true,
  "Empty All Containers (Exclusions)": [
    "xmas_tree.deployed",
    "xmas_tree_a.deployed"
  ],
  "Eject Corpses From Enemy Raids (Advanced Users Only)": true,
  "Eject Corpses From PVE Instantly (Advanced Users Only)": false,
  "Eject Enemies From Purchased PVE Raids": true,
  "Eject Enemies From Purchased PVP Raids": false,
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  "Eject Enemies From Locked PVP Raids": false,
  "Explosion Damage Modifier (0-999)": 100.0,
  "Ignore Containers That Spawn With Loot Already": false,
  "Loot Amount Multiplier": 1.0,
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  "Maximum Respawn Npc X Seconds After Death": 0.0,
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  "Skip Treasure Loot And Use Loot In Base Only": false,
  "Use Buoyant Boxex For Dropped Privilege Loot": false,
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}

you should attach the file instead of pasting it. much easier to read

I didn't say that roam and roamtethered don't have that ammo. I said that they may not, and to check each of the prefabs. I looked (which isn't easy to do), and peacekeeper doesn't have any ammo. I've already said I'd add an option to not use any prefab loot too

pumpkin, wood and scrap all spawn fine. deer meat was on the next npc.

you don't have the option enabled.

this works

    "Spawn Alternate Default Scientist Loot": {
      "Prefab ID List": [
        "peacekeeper"
      ],
      "Enabled": true
    },

I said it wasn't easy to check, so if you want to check for yourself then here's a plugin to do that

CheckLootSpawnsLoot.cs

Testing now.  But I've tested Scrap, Wood, and Pumpkin over and over and it's not dropped.  Whaaat did you do to make that happen????  Is this with the new version you're working on?

just respond here instead of multiple tickets with the same question

it didn't work for peacekeeper because you need to enable the option

I used 2.7.4 to test it, and probability is not 1.0 so it will not always spawn those items.

I get the peacekeeper.  I'm trying to figure out how you got Scrap, Pumpkins, and Wood to spawn unless that's in peacekeeper loot.  Which I see scrap, but not the rest.

 

Items for scientistnpc_peacekeeper: flare, pickaxe, syringe.medical, scrap, semibody, keycard_green

nah, they spawn from Murderer Items Dropped On Death

 

Oof.  I don't suppose you could send me your config so I could compare?  

 

I buggered something up.  I've got expert based saying they're spawning but getting marked on map as easy bases.   Something's all messed up.  Working through it all again.

"Difficulty (0 = easy, 1 = medium, 2 = hard, 3 = expert, 4 = nightmare)": 0,

you have to set the difficulty, either that or you have the same base in multiple profiles.

RaidableBases.json

 

Edited October 6, 2023 by nivex

Difficulties were all set correctly, unchanged from the Raid Tier 3 pack.  Checked them repeatedly.   I was able to fix it though.  My Medium bases were working just fine and I standardized options between them.  The only thing that I can thing would have gone sideways was I setup the torso or something to have three empty strings as values of wearables plus other items in the list for torso.  I cleaned that up so it only has 1 empty string.  To enable randomness.  I've spent too much time on a lot of this so not going to dig into that one any more.  However the loot drop is still a problem.  See below.

 

"Torso": [
        "wood.armor.jacket",
        "wood.armor.jacket",
        "wood.armor.jacket",
        "jacket",
        "",
        "",
        ""
      ],

 

But I still cannot consistently get my loot to drop off of the Murderer Items list correctly.   Peacekeeper was able to stop Rifle.Ammo.  But now it seems to swap back and forth between dropping Peacekeeper loot and dropping the Murderer Items.  

 

I'm going to give up on the random bits.  I've spent way to much time on it.  But if someone wants to get the Murderer Items Loot Drop list to drop exactly the loot table they want and nothing else, I can't say that I've been able to get that to work.  It's been incredibly random for me.

 

I'm going to give Kit's a shot and build 3-6 kits per difficulty so there's at least something random about it.  Will let you know if that ends up being a functional path.

Edited October 6, 2023 by Jackelmyer
clarification

Just to give you an idea as to what I'm working on, I'm shooting for a somewhat vanilla rust PVE experience.  Where "easy" is wood day one.  No one really has rifle ammo or even satchels.  It's all bows and hide and bean cans and flame throwers etc.

With difficulty scaling through the building tiers and "reasonable loot" at each tier.  

 

That's what I'm shooting for anyway..  

Wood easy, stone medium, sheet metal hard, armored expert, nightmare bananas.  Hence why I'm shooting for specifics on everything.  None of the scientists loot tables fully pair up to what I'm after.

 

Yeah the Kit way didn't work as expected either.  Looks like the kit loadout is wiped and the item list miiiiight get used?  all weird.  Back to the random list without kits and peacekeeper to keep the fluff down.  

Here's my final Easy Bases profile if you want to poke at it.

Easy Bases.json Medium Bases.json

RaidableBases.json

Edited October 6, 2023 by Jackelmyer

So went and did more testing with the Murder Items Drop On Death.   I have Easy Bases and Medium Bases configured identically except for item lists.   Peacekeeper helped a lot in both Easy and Medium.  It's still random whether or not I'll get the peace keeper loot or a mix of Murderer Drop On Death and Peace Keeper loot.  

Easy Base NPC's are doing a much better job dropping loot.  Medium isn't dropping anything from the Murderer Drop On Death Item list.  Dunno.

I see the issue now that you mention the murderer items not always dropping. thats because you have them equipped with both ranged and melee weapons. when they equip a ranged weapon its not going to work because murderers have support for melee weapons and explosives only, and the other scientists use ranged weapons only. so when the murderer equips a ranged weapon its going to drop the ranged loot (scientist items)

why? murderers used to be in the game. when they were in the game they used melee only. it was not possible to give them a ranged weapon. they've been removed from the game, but I still wanted to keep them in my plugin. so I use the scientist for both the scientist and the murderer.  the only thing separating them is the weapons they use. scarecrows could replace murderers but there's no point when the scientist fills this role just fine

they can kill players using ranged weapons, but there's no support for it. I'll see what I can do to add support for this without it conflicting with scientists.

 

Edited October 6, 2023 by nivex

raid.DropItems(corpse.containers, brain.attackType != HumanoidBrain.AttackType.BaseProjectile);

you can see here that its using base projectile, which means ranged weapon, to determine what the npc drops.

its easy to add support for the murderers using ranged weapons, though. just change it to this

raid.DropItems(corpse.containers, brain.isMurderer);

 

lol i was about to head to bed but I'll give that a try. 

 

If that works, is there a reason you wouldn't want to keep that change in place?

or simply add a... if that works better to support both scientists and murderers?

if(brain.isMurderer)

  raid.DropItems(corpse.containers, brain.isMurderer);

else

   raid.DropItems(corpse.containers, brain.attackType != HumanoidBrain.AttackType.BaseProjectile);

Ill keep the change. edit: it will support both scientists and murderers. you don't need that extra code

 

Edited October 6, 2023 by nivex

I just tested the one liner change you provided and that made aaaaaaaaaall the difference in the world.  Peacekeepers seem like the lowest level of loot in order to have the most limited little extra items.  But holy heck.  What a work out this week getting that sorted.  oof.

yea, this plugin has a steep learning curve, and it's easy to get lost in the endless options.

crossbow works now. I don't think npcs are supposed to use them but an easy hack to get it working.

                    baseProjectile = _attackEntity as BaseProjectile;
                    if (baseProjectile != null && baseProjectile.MuzzlePoint == null)
                    {
                        baseProjectile.MuzzlePoint = baseProjectile.transform;
                    }

 

that little hack for crossbows works for hunting bows, too.

enable by adding bow_hunting.entity since it will work now

                    case "compound_bow.entity":
                    case "crossbow.entity":
                    case "speargun.entity":
                    case "bow_hunting.entity":

and this code can go

                if (shortname == "bow.hunting")
                {
                    shortname = "bow.compound";
                }

 

That's awesome!  I'm so looking forward to your next update!  I really wanted bows on my easy base NPCs.  Thank you for all the work on this!  

I was looking up more on the NPC Spawn plugin API that's used by Better NPC's and it seems like they're supporting all these types of things.   I know it'd be a major change but if someone's dedicated to handling the NPC management which does base defense, it may be worth looking into.